Rate My Professor

Wired.com ‘s Joanna Glasner raised an interesting question in her article today:

Do college faculty members have a case if they sue popular website RateMyProfessors.com?

Professors don’t seem to like it much:

"By and large, RateMyProfessors is unmentionable in university administrations," said Kenneth Westhues, a sociology professor at the University of Waterloo who completed a study of the rating site last year. "Many professors won't even admit that they look at their ratings on the website."

(As an aside, I did have one professor in undergrad who mentioned that he never looked at his ratings, but his kids did. They thought it was hilarious.)

Westhues, however, thinks the website provides a valuable service:

"Here's this tenured professor with high rank and high salary and students say he's a disaster in the classroom," he said. "RateMyProfessors gets that information out into the open."

There’s a downside, though:

"Anyone can contribute ratings, whether they know how to rate someone effectively or not and whether they are enrolled in the class or not," said Chet Robie, associate professor of management and organizational behavior at Wilfrid Laurier University.

At his university, Robie said he and many of his colleagues suspect that one faculty member has been doctoring colleagues ratings to make his or her own appear more favorable. Across RateMyProfessors, he believes there is more than enough defamatory material to launch a class action suit against the site and the people posting the offensive comments.

So, on one side, we have free speech, opinion, and perhaps even truth. On the other side, falsified ratings, potentially damaged careers, and perhaps defamation.

The posts are closely monitored for obscenity, and multiple posts from the same user are eliminated. When a professor gets a lot of attention, it’s generally more positive than negative, according to one site administrator.

So, given the context of the article and the class, I did the natural thing: I looked up wired.com’s own – and our class’s own – Professor Adam Penenberg.

Nothing. He’s not even on the list. For the record, blogger Jay Rosen is on the list, but has no ratings.

Professors and schools probably will sue RateMyProfessors eventually. They may get a settlement, they may even shut the site down. But I don’t think they have much of a case. The site is place for students to trade opinions with each other of people who – to them, at least – are public figures. And in my experience, the professors with the worst ratings teach required courses, so attendance in their classes is pretty much guaranteed. These professors also tend to get chili peppers indicating that they are “hot” (some ironic, some earnest).

And even NYU President John Sexton got a 5 rating for his honors seminar. No chili pepper, though. Scandalous.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 5, 2005 - 1:24pm

My university always gives out class evaluations at the end of the semester, and I assume most universities do the same. This is the perfect time for students to "rate their professor." We're given the chance to say what we like about the class/professor, and how we would improve the course. And we are not limited to 350 words! Many of my professors take these evaluations very seriously... they are always looking for ways to improve their teaching. I feel this type of evaluation is much better than rating professors publicly. As a student, I am much more comfortable writing down reviews I know my professor will at least be aware of.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 4, 2006 - 5:24am

My universtiy does this and some profs take it seriously and some ignore it. Some departments use it to fire/promote, some ignore consistant low rating for years. If all universities would publish the results, RMP would be obsolete and people could still avoid the crap profs, and eventually they would have to be run out of acedemia like they deserve. This is a win-win, teaching quality goes up, learnng goes up, school gets better rep.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 6, 2005 - 12:12am

Ah...if only I'd discovered this site before...I might ahve avoided the two useless classes I took this semester (costing a grand total of $15,000).

Interestingly, my favorite professor received unanimous and glowing praise on the rateyourprof. They've got to be doing something right.

oriah (not verified) @ December 7, 2005 - 2:43pm

after spending a year abroad i signed up for my classes for the first time without knowing about RMP.com. I found out about the website a few months into the semester and interestingly enough, the teachers that I liked and seemed to be good professors tended to get higher scores on RMP.

I agree 100% that the univ. evaluations are better but we as students do not get to see the results of the evaluations and RMP is a way for us to get the feel of every professor. I picked all of my sprin 06 semester classes based on the professors and I sent all of them emails to introduce my self (a formality of mine). Interesting enough all of them replied to me very fast and seemed like very nice people. They had their courses and everything already organized. This is very important for me to have a teacher who is organized and friendly. Going to RMP allowed to see the experiences other students had with my professors.

Of course there are always comments like "he sucked and he's a moron" followed by the 1 star rating. I don't think any student with common sense is really going to take that comment into consideration when he/she chooses his professors. The comments that tend to effect me were the ones that had longer descriptions and had both the pros and cons of the class and the teacher. I posted once on RMP to tell people of this professor that i had. Although he was a super nice man outside of class (and very knowledgable in his subject of teaching), he couldn't effectively present the material to his students! The man just didn't know how to teach, but he knew his material.

I think that RMP provides professors insight into how student view their teaching abilities and i know that i were a professor I would want to create a warm, fun, and relaxed environment for my student. Professors that neglect the needs of their student are bound to get bad reviews and in my opinion they deserve it becuase after all is said and done THEY HAVEN'T ADEQUETLY DONE THEIR JOB!

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 9, 2005 - 4:01am

I have taken dozens of classes at a community college and discovered there's an ample supply of unqualified and unprofessional instructors out there. Many should be fired, many shouldn't be teaching.

Tenure keeps these people there...and students suffer because no one says anything. Gossip and rumors are one thing but an educated and thoughtful grading of a teacher's performance (and in a non-college forum) can provide some insight on information regarding a particular instructor.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 12, 2005 - 12:31am

I guess I can understand where these professors are coming from, but I really think RMP is a great tool in most cases, for students and profs. Some of us, students I mean, are not lazy and stupid, you know. We can ignore "suxiest prof he iz bornig 2 much hw" and know that "ez A!!!!!!!11" isn't always the highest praise. And, ummmm, I really don't think there are many students researching classes they didn't take in order to seem informed enough to discredit profs ........... RMP helps me find classes where my 1000 bucks might give me a shot at learning a lot, and gets some lazy students out of those same classes and in with lazy "easy grader, mult choice, no writing" professors. Kind of a win-win situation, eh? And I've found some great classes by looking for the "uuuugh! she reads way too much into everything!" profs. :D

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 6:14pm

Now those are well reasoned and articulate comments. You are totally right, there are a lot of good students out there that probably use RMP intelligently and fairly. Also, RMP probably does professors a service by keeping slackers away from their courses. But I think a lot of Professors just resent the fact that so many posts are mean spirited, untrue, and can negatively effect their careers. If RMP had some type of system to verify claims made against professors--that gave professors a chance to face their attackers openly and defend their records--I don't think that Professors would mind it much at all.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 13, 2005 - 4:05pm

An interesting thread, specifically since I am one of those who has been victimized by RMP in the past. Oddly enough, in previous positions (this is my first as tenure-track), my evals were always among the best in the department. Since so much weight is placed on student evals (this much was obvious when I received my faculty evals), I quickly realized I had to make some changes. I did, and as a result have eliminated about 90 percent of the negative posts I received in the past.

How? It was very easy. First, I diluted the content of the upper-division courses I teach so that a high school student could easily do well in them, assuming he/she showed up for class once in a while and actually did the reading and assignments. This is unfortunate for the few students who really want to learn (and who should now be posting negative comments on RMP, although for some reason they don't), but I have a career to think about.

I also modified the grading scale to 2 grades: A or B. Before you say this is dishonest, I should note that a few years ago, I read a front-page article in Educ. Weekly that was written by a full, tenured prof at Duke, who was at that time occupying an endowed chair at Stanford. His name escapes me, but he explained that he never gives a grade below B, since to do so is tantamount to academic suicide. At the time, I thought this article was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek commentary on grade inflation, but I've since realized that this fellow was being serious. After reviewing what is reported as the average GPA at my university (3.78/4.00), I realized just how right he was. No, I do not teach at an Ivy League school, nor at any other institute that is typically mentioned as one of the top in the country.

By making these changes, I was able to survive--although the irony of the situation does not escape me. I still occasionally get negative posts, but they are usually from students who fail to complete an assignment, and then claim I must have lost their submission. To put a spin on an old excuse, my dog must have eaten their homework.

But I do need to thank RMP for one thing: I now have much more free time to devote to my research. There are far fewer assignments to grade, and given that the content is watered down, I can now have grad students teach my courses. But I wonder how many others are doing the same thing--and what effect this will have on our educational system in the long run.

BTW, do not try to identify me; like the students who post in RMP, I have posted anonymously. There is no such thing as "academic freedom" for those who have yet to receive tenure. Given what I am forced to do to survive, I wonder if there is any such thing as "academic integrity." Maybe that only refers to research.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 3, 2006 - 7:27pm

Interesting comments. Where I teach, a "colleague" gives everyone an A or A+, regardless of work submitted or quality, goes to class for 15 minutes then spends the rest of his class time in his office listening to classical music CDs and reading philosophy books until his 3 hour "lecture" is over, doesn't spend any time marking submitted assignments of which many are submitted after semester grades were submitted and finalized. He is "untouchable", the college administration never addresses his behaviour and he gets glowing reports on Ratemyprofessors. On the other hand, I do my job with care, integrity, honesty, diligently, and give value and expect the same from the students. The whole range of marks is assigned, including F and A+, as earned. For that, I don't have a social life, suffer stress related problems, I get pissed on by the college and students because I am "too tough" and "expect too much". I don't have a great rating on Ratemyprofessors. You and my colleague are much smarter than me. Maybe I should smarten-up too.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 3, 2006 - 8:09pm

I think that rate my professors isn't the best website to go to when professors are in search of what students really think about their class lectures. I have been a Pick-A-Prof.com user for almost 4 years now. I find this site to be absolutely valuable. They provide grade histories on all the professors for all the courses taught at a particular university. These are the percentages of A's - F's students have historically earned in each class. Also, students can submit reviews about their professors. I think the reviews are very helpful. The Pick-A-Prof staff screens them for profanity and comments which may offend the professor. They are very good at only posting those reviews which provide beneficial information about teaching styles, number of exams and absence policies. Also, I can use the site to plan my schedule using their graphic schedule planner. Recently, they added two very helpful services called Book Exchange and CourseCasting. Using Book Exchange I can buy all my books through their website where they provide the lowest prices from various online vendors. It's the best! CourseCasting is also great. This service is where professors record their lectures and then upload them onto the Pick-A-Prof website. This feature allows students to download the lectures to help us study for exams or review for homework assignments. It also comes in handy when you miss a class because you're sick and need to catch up on the work you missed. I think all around Pick-A-Prof is great. Not only do they have students as customers, but they also have professors whom subscribe to the website and use their professor services to help them in the classroom. I think all profs and students should take a look at the site. It really is, hands down, much better than rate my professors.

Dan (not verified) @ December 13, 2005 - 10:59pm

As an adjunct instructor for ten years in a requred course , I have made my mistakes in the past and have received harsh evaluations from students. However, I have since learned how to maintain high standards without a backlash from the students. The key is fairness and communication. My syllabus is extremely specific about grading policies so that every student knows the ground rules from day one. The A standard is hard to reach BUT I offer help in reaching that high standard. The excellent students will work hard, eagerly accept feedback, and take advantage of opportunities for bonus points (eg, attending a Toastmasters meeting as a bonus opportunity in my speech course). Professors that care about their student's learning will not be hurt overall by ratemyprofessors.com.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 14, 2005 - 4:07am

Today, the site is not working. Interesting...

jorge (not verified) @ December 15, 2005 - 6:00am

strange..

A Teacher (not verified) @ December 16, 2005 - 4:52am

I am an adjunt college prof. and I say the site should remain up. One of the biggest reasons I started teaching part-time was because I felt my prof's were just useless. Most barely cared if I learned something. I made it a point to go back and teach at the same place I went for undergrad years after the fact; to see if there is a reason why some prof's are as bad as they are. Quite honestly, I have found nothing to support their poor teaching skills. I enjoy teaching and I put that extra effort in making sure that my students actually learn something. Now I teach alongside my previous prof's and guess what? A student brought to my attention that I was listed on this website. So I took a look and my ratings were excellent (although they did find my class difficult). Now what about my past prof's ratings? Exactly the way I saw them to be when I was their student. I have ratings on there that are somewhat negative but it leans more toward the difficulty of the class itself. It is very easy to read through the ones that are just simply upset about their grade. As far as I am concerned, that website is nothing more than a bulletin board with opinions based on a per student basis. Getting offended by comments is truly just childish behaviour.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 8, 2006 - 11:54pm

Outstanding comments. I wish most profs had your attitude, then maybe the school system in the US wouldn't be so messed up. They are why many third world countries are surprassing us. Kudos to you.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 9:40pm

OMG, which third world countries are surpassing the U.S. in education? Other nations like Japan and Germany have been for years but they are hardly part of the third world. Then of course their students work slightly harder than their American counterparts.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 8:19pm

Several third world countries in Asia for starters.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 11:29pm

Any specific examples?

Jenna (not verified) @ December 17, 2005 - 9:15pm

ratemyprofessors.com is not a popularity contest. The only people who are going to be disgruntled are the teachers who are consistantly pulling bad ratings. Every professor, no matter how good, is going to pull a bad rating. However, if you are not aware enough to take that into account when you are choosing professors, then you aren't smart enough to get anything out of the class or the ratings anyway. No professor's career is going to be ruined by even 3 bad ratings. Some people aren't made for teaching, it doesn't matter how hard they have worked, I don't want to work with someone who is a bad lecturer or a random grader. Bad teachers exist as sad as that is, and I don't think anyone can honestly say they want to take a class with a "bad" teacher. Some professors have a certain teaching style, why would I want to waste my time and (my professor's time) in a setting where I know I don't learn best.

And as far as the professor above who watered down his classes because of bad ratings-- that is OUTRAGEOUS! I would never take a class from him. Thats what I am talking about--bad professors who aren't cut out for teaching; I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THESE KIND OF PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME! I would have been so dissapointed to take a class where I can sleep through it and get an A.

I am glad I go to a college where I can take an upper level bio class where people want to do the work. This is why I love small liberal arts colleges, people are not here to make big research discoveries, they are here to help us learn, and there almost all good ratings at RMP for my school. Some of them do amazing cutting edge research in certain fields, but not at the expense of the students learning.

Calm down! (not verified) @ December 17, 2005 - 9:59pm

With no quality control, how good is the information? I've read ratings on professors which were totally opposite of one another . . . which one should we believe?

I just finished reading bad reviews on two of my math professors whom I thought were very good - hmmm. Whiners posting up an excuse for their poor scholarship I suppose.

Other comments reveal the maturity (not) of the posting persons - they rate professors like celebrities.

The best source of information is first hand information from students you know - but take their comments with a grain of salt. This is kind of like asking your friends if they liked a certain movie - if certain of my friends tell me they enjoyed a certain movie, I know I won't like it at all!

I was very hopeful that a ratings web site would help me, but I've decided it's not wise to make decisions on questionable information.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 19, 2005 - 2:15am

the class is what you make of it. Some people are going to like it some arn't . if you have a choice between two of the same classes at the same time with diffeent profs. why wouldn't you look on the site. See who got a better rating. i don't look for the easiest, but the most enjoyable or helpful. yes there are student ratings by the colleges but other students dont have a chance to view these. if they did it would be a lot better. The profs need to get over it and learn to deal with a little criticism. We are paying for our education and i want to make sure i have good teachers.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 20, 2005 - 1:38pm

ahh, Jenna, judge not lest ye be judged. in reference to the prof who you have described as "outrageous," I suspect he/she is teaching at a large state-run institution, rather than a small liberal arts college like you attend. the diff is that in a setting like yours, students are selected judiciously based on specific criteria, whereas at large, state-run schools, everyone must be admitted (in the state where I teach, you don't even need to have graduated from high school! that was a shocker to me). the result is that you see, on average, a better class of students at the private schools that can utilize more stringent admissions requirements. this is probably why profs at your school fare better than their counterparts at the large, state-run schools.

another factor to consider is that in some cases at the large, state-run schools, overworked/overtasked administrators are using ratemyprofessor.com ratings, in tandem with student evluations, in lieu of faculty evaluations. imagine for a minute if for your performance evlauation at work, the only input was from customers--some of whom might be bitter for whatever reason, be it fair or not. while student evaluations do have some value, I would not want to rely on them in place of an evaluation by qualified peers, no more than you would be willing to let customers have total control over your fate in the workforce.

there are simply too many aspects that need to be taken into consideration when evaluating a professor's performance, and while there is some value in what students have to say, sites like ratemyprofessor.com--where anyone can post with little control--need to be placed in the proper context. in my case, I have had students in the same class/section rate me at diametric ends of the spectrum: some said I was horrible, while others praised me as being the best they ever had. given the wide variation, just how do you use that as a determinant of a professor's ability?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 3:26pm

"I suspect he/she is teaching at a large state-run institution, rather than a small liberal arts college like you attend. the diff is that in a setting like yours, students are selected judiciously based on specific criteria, whereas at large, state-run schools, everyone must be admitted

That street goes both ways. I have worked in the administrations of both a small private liberal arts school and a big state school. Of course, all generalizations are wrong (including this one), but I have found the state school students to be much better than those at the private school. The private school has to "meet their nut" by taking in x number of students every year, no matter how many quality applicants they have. So, unless the school is in great demand they end up with 10-25% bottom feeders who were rejected everywhere else, and whose main quality in the eyes of the school are Mumsey & Daddy's checkbook. These students probably should not be in college at all, but the faculty feel tremendous pressure (often directly from the parents) to pass even those who can not read. The students' and parents' take seems to be (and I heard this directly from them so many times it made me nauseous): "I am paying $30K a year, so I deserve a diploma."

I view private schools very differently now, and I am happy to be back at a state institution. I still could never be a prof.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 22, 2005 - 9:09am

At the university where I teach, all student evaluations are published on a web site owned and controlled by the university, and administered by the student government. They tabulate the student responses (which are obtained before students know their grades), assemble the results into statistical totals for each course and put the entire thing up on the web as a PDF. Seems fair to me.

This method is superior to sites like RMP for various reasons. First, it ensures that all who respond are actual students in the respective courses (as opposed to anyone with a computer who can post). It also eliminates the vindictive comments students sometimes post AFTER they find out they did not get the "A" they paid for; evaluations taken BEFORE final grades are issued are far more fair, and focus on the actual performance of the professor, rather than his/her ability to give the almighty "A". Another factor is that this method offers a glimpse at ALL the comments, rather than just a select few; statistically speaking, a much larger sample size is always preferable. These things tend to ensure quality control, something sites like RMP do not really practice.

I would encourage every school to use this method. The profs think it is fair, the students get a very good picture of what to expect from a professor, and everybody wins.

get over it (not verified) @ December 22, 2005 - 6:02pm

These comments are going to be made anyways, it just makes it easier for us (students) to hear it. You know how it is with our tech savvy lazy generation, we want info and we want it now... I mean, really, who wants have a get together just to talk about thier fav/worst prof.? Nobody... but I'm sure we would do it if there wasn't a site like this available to us. Plus, now that we have the knowledge on how things can be, it wouldn't be long before another program...a "splinter program" if you will... would be created (ie...napster). Get over it.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 7, 2006 - 2:09pm

You may have a good point. Why be so disrespectful? "Get over it?"???

Prof (not verified) @ December 26, 2005 - 2:17am

As a professor, I am rather dismayed by RMP. Although I have gotten relatively high marks, I have noticed that many entries are also left by students who got low grades in class and felt they did not "deserve" the low grades. For example, they feel if they do they work they should get an "A" even though many other students do work of much higher quality. Even after they spoke with me to explain their grades they were angry and felt RMP was a recourse.

Further, many other comments are inaccurate, misreprented and so on. I know my students fairly well and usually know who makes the posts.

My concern is that I do not post students grades PUBICALLY online although with RMP the students are entitled to do so. I have no way to "defend" myself against unfair comments, but I have found that it is easy to find them because they often are misspelled, have poor grammar, etc.

I am glad there is some opportunity to express oneself, but the anonymity of the student can skew some ratings unfairly for the disgruntled poor student. I wish it were a more respresentative rating system.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 26, 2005 - 2:53am

This is am interesting site because it says a lot about education. As a teacher I have found that there are 2 types of students, one who wants to really learn and one who wants an easy grade. The one who wants the easy grade resents teachers who have higher expectations of them and often punish the teacher through ratings.

I teach in a large public college and I have been appalled by how many students see college as just another part of "The System" to "Get Over." Many want classes where you just take notes and exams and are not asked to think much. Actually I would really like to have the students who "want", even demand, something more. I have tried to do this, but I have had many students who (maybe just out of large public high schools) don't want much expected of them (but want good grades).

I don't want to complain, but it has been a hard semester. I have taught for many years and (used to) enjoy it very much. But in the past year, I deal more with discipline problems (students walking in and out of class, talking through class, using cell phones in class, never handing in papers on time and then using few references, only internet), etc. There has been little respect for learning and even for other students who want to learn.

It feels like "the bigger world" where posturing and cheating are better than real accomplishment. From our current government on down....

I have had to lower my standards over and over and still have students argue with me over what I expect. I worked really hard for my PhD, which I got on my own while being a single parent. Yet I am "criticized" by students who cannot write a decent paragraph and would rather party and talk on the phone than read.

Perhaps it is just "the system" I am in, too. I am feeling "foolish" that I actually care about education (and even the students as people!) when it seems that the real "product" is the "piece of paper" with highest grades/least effort. Like maybe this is the "real" learning: getting by the easy way is better than " intellectual effort"

I am ready to give up on teaching even though I have really put myself into it. Hope I get less cynical in 2006!

Another Professor (not verified) @ January 3, 2006 - 7:05pm

I have been teaching for 24 years and I totally agree. My personal values of caring, honesty, integrity, and giving value are being undermined by the lack of those values in the students and the college where I work. Consequently, in order to get out of the prison my profession has become, I am looking forward to early retirement. I may also leave the country for a place where society hasn't similarly declined, yet. Does anyone know where that is?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 4, 2006 - 5:29am

You think you have it bad? Try being a student who wants to work hard and learn, but the prof sucks. We have NO recourse, and might lose thousands of dollars and untoild amounts of time which is wrong. At least you get paid, no matter what. You have slack students? Flunk them or drop them and they will eventually get driven out of school. Push for higher admission standards, but don't whine because of a few bad apples that you get paid to teach and don't do anything about.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 5, 2006 - 9:06pm

That is not true. If students have been given an unfair grade from a professor they can take the issue to an academic advisor, dept. chair, grievance committee, dean, etc. Most universities have investigating committees that include student representatives and can examine complaints on a case-by-case basis. Professors can certainly be penalized by unfair grading--provided the student has a legitimate complaint and isn't just whining or blaming the professor for their own lame work.

When professors post grades they generally have to limit their comments to a simple A-F grade that only the professor and student will see. Students that post on RMP, however, can post whatever they want about their professors for all the world to see. And because these comments are anonymous, professors have no way of appealing these comments or defending their grading policies.

I wonder what would happen if professors started posting their student's grades on the internet and included comments like "this student is stupid, don't let them into your class" or "this student looks weird and sounds likea cartoon character in class discussion"? The professor in question would be hit by 30 lawsuits within a week and their students would be whining about unfair treatment and a lack of professionalism. Thats the problem with too many students today, they can give but can't take criticism.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 6, 2006 - 7:26pm

Here, I agree with you. The problem with RMP is not the rating, but the public nature of the rating. If students would agree, as you suggest, to have professors post their grades (and comments) on the web for all to see too, then fair is fair.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 8, 2006 - 11:43pm

Your comments are completely without merit. Sure you can complain after the fact, but your time and money are gone. The site serves a legitimate purpose, steering others away from bad teachers and towards good teachers. I suspect that most of the teachers here crying are those that do not deserve to teach.

When a student graduates, his grades are certainly used as a means of employment, so your argument falls flat. The fact remains that there is no recourse against bad professors, most have tenure and can never be removed.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 7:08pm

If a grievance committee determines that a student has recieved an unfair grade then of course the grade can be changed, the tuition refunded, or the student recieve another chance to take the course the next time it is offered. It happens all the time. Of course Professors can and in many cases have been investigated and if they are found guilty they can be disciplined and even removed--regardless of whether they have tenure. Any college handbook will spell out the specific grievance policies that the institution in question has. Student organizations on campus also militantly monitor student complaints against professors. Professors change grades all the time, provided the student has a case. I have changed grades for students on several occasions throughout my career. In fact, our dept. secretaries keep standardized grade change forms on hand for just such circumstances.

Yes, good grades are important in the workplace. Which is why the average undergraduate takes around 60 courses, probably with at least 20-30 different professors. So it would take quite a few "unfair" grades from "incompetent" professors to sink your average. Which means either you are victim of an X-Filesesque conspiracy from at least a majority of your professors to intentionally give you bad grades, or maybe your low grades have more to do with your own efforts than you would care to admit.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 8:22pm

Unfair grades, heck grades in general are not the point. Grades are meaningless without knowlege and that is why bad professors(especially bad ones who are easy) are so dangerous.

Bad professors not teaching are the problem. Stop throwing red herrings around.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 11:39pm

You guys are the ones that keep bringing up the issue of "unfair grading" on RMP and this blog. I am just taking your apocryphal horror stories and glaring generalizations and following them to their natural, illogical conclusions. This whole "Its the professors' fault we make bad grades" school of thought is a red herring.

Anonymous (not verified) @ December 29, 2005 - 3:32pm

This Fall semester was a complete waste of my time and money, all because I had no prior information about a certain adjunct professor. If i had read comments about her teaching style on RMP, then I would certainly based my decision on whether or not to take her( only after careful evaluation of the comments). $1900 is no small change for me and taking someone who doesn't enjoy her/his job and doesn't care about their students - is not someone that should be teaching anyway. This person cancels 30% of all the classes she had to teach. Also she only graded 30% of all the papers the class submitted (timely) to her to grade. SHe is always late to class and she never clearly explains the assignments. The class that is supposed to last for 3 hrs BUT it Always finishes before an hour is up. Tell me, should this person be teaching? On the other hand, i was also lucky to have the most helpful and insightful professors ( I enrolled not having prior info about them). RMP will continue to be of use to me and I will DECIDE to filter the truth from the lies. Just my 2 cents.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 3, 2006 - 6:52pm

I am a Prof who has read the reviews of me and others on Ratemyprofessors and think that it is a fraudulent forum. The comments are anonymous and may not be submitted by students who took or completed the course; some may be submitted by the professor him/herself. As well, many submissions are made by the whiners and sour pusses who didn't make the committment necessary to pass or do well and/or have their own, personal, issues which are expressed as unjustified critiscism of the professor. The submissions are also limited to 350 words and the fixed ratings are limited in detail - superficial. Incredible, my comments read just like the ones I am criticizing on Ratemyprofessors.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 4, 2006 - 5:38am

It is amazing how so many intelligent professors make assumptions about the posts. I though you guys were supposed to be smart. Just because you do not agree with what people say, doesn't make it fraudelent or incorrect. How about stop being a child and take the good and bad comments and use them to better yourself?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 5, 2006 - 9:13pm

Because there is not way to verify that it isn't fraudulent or incorrect. Students can post whatever comments they want without any type of authenticity, using fabrications or innuendo to lash out at professors whose only crime may have been to flunk lazy students. Its the same type of tactics the MCarthyites used in the 50s and the Limbaughs and O'Reillys use today, slander, gossip, rumor, innuendo, and character assasination. Yeah, every comment on RMP MIGHT be true, but how are we to konw?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 8, 2006 - 11:57pm

Imagine that! Free speech! Amazing idea. Besides, obvoiusly slanderous posts get removed, if you did not know that, they why are you even blurting out your ignorant opinions?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 5:36pm

Which RMP website are you consulting? The one I look at has dozens of cruel and untrue attacks on professors, critizizing everything from their physical appearance to lifestyle habits. I haven't seen any that have been removed, except maybe edited for swear words.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 4, 2006 - 5:06am

Get over it profs. Just because you have a phd, does not give you the right to a teaching job. It also does not mean you can teach. I have had many profs who were geniuses, but couldn't communicate their knowlege at all. I am the type of student that pushes profs to push me, even if they are slackers and only a pulse is required for an A. I want to learn, but very few want to teach, they just want to spew the info as fast as possible with little to no background info, nor teach reason why things are certain ways. Most profs teach the what, not the why and how. That is why I give bad reviews, and it is legitimate. I have yet to read a RMP review that was inaccurate. Even with seemingly contridictory reviews( they often aren't) where some rate high and some rate low, it is still a good resource. RMP is a valuable source, but should not be the only source to decide who to take and who to avoid. I look for the profs who can actually teach and are challenging. I avoid the easy ones unless it is for a pointless GR class and I have better things to learn, or if the prof is hard and can't teach. One more time, since I know most profs have this insane idea of entitlement: JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PHD, DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN YOU CAN OR SHOULD TEACH. There is a reason why the best instructors I ever had, held a masters. You PHD's whining about bad reviews and less enrollment in your classes should wonder why masters make better teachers.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 5, 2006 - 1:00pm

Why is there so much hostility on this site? Are students and teachers enemies? It is true that, at some universities, research is more important than teaching, so profs are more rewarded for publishing than teaching. Further, criticizing teachers alone will probably not improve much. Unfortunately, most college professors are supposed to be experts in their field per se, and rarely take courses in education, teaching, psychology, etc. But it is a shame to think that most are "against" students. Likewise, it is a shame that students are "against" teachers. I think a better response is not students vs. teachers/teachers vs. students but some conversation with college administration about how to improve the imprortance and quality of teaching itself.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 12:19am

Students do not consider good teachers their enemy. Bad teachers are another matter. A bad teacher can ruin a course of study, wastes months of work and potentially thousands of dollars. I agree with most of your comments, and I think they hiring process needs to go and a revamp of the tenure system is in order. Too many poor, unmotivated profs use tenure as a shield to protect them, and then use the sword that comes with it to destroy the educational process.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 2:42am

Students can also ruin a course of study, months of class time, and thousands of dollars all on their own through poor work in school. I don't think that blaming the professors is going to solve that problem. Sure universities could hire professors that are easy and value congeniality over objectivity, we could even weaken or eliminate tenure in order to bring professors more under student control. Then everyone will graduate in four years on time with at least a 3.0 and will hit the job market with roughly similar qualifications. The job market will be flooded with graduates, all of whom have the same inflated grades, so employers will just ratchet up the their criteria for hiring, and students are right back to square one.

Thirty years ago a high school diploma was sufficient for most jobs. Then fifteen years ago the bachelor's degree became the minimum qualification for holding a job. These days MAs, MBAs, and JDs are increasingly mandatory for basic employment above the minimum wage level in a lot of fields, not even taking into account considerations like upward mobility. You can fiddle with the educational system all you want, but sooner or later students are going to have to be judged on their own merits, by one set of standards or another.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 8:24pm

It is amazing how many allegedly smart professors can't grasp simple concepts. Very few students want easy professors, only the bad ones. The rest want profs who can teach, are friendly, grade FAIRLY, and actually make a class worth attending.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 10, 2006 - 11:46pm

So then why do so many RMP posts only deal with how easy a professor is?

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 6, 2006 - 10:27pm

OK, I'll say something controversial. First, I agree that students have a right to a quality education, especially if they are paying for it. Yes.

But, do you guys know how much work goes into getting a Ph.D.? Probably 5 or more years of school after college, with all the hard work of the dissertation. These are usually years that grad students go into debt, are not paid or get minimal pay as instructors. After this, the pay of a professor (esp. a beginning assistant prof) is very low, much less than what is paid in private industry or maybe government jobs. As a result, most academics have to really want to do the work. They can often get a better paid job with a BA/BS then the PhD.

Now, I can understand students critiquing a prof, Sure, why not? But the disrespect part, I don't get. The critic has not done all the work the prof has to get to the PhD level. Having like maybe 25 or 50 or even 100 credits doesn't qualify for the close to 200 credits the prof has gotten. The level of knowledge needed for the PhD is high and the work is hard. A prof may not know how to teach, sure but I think there is some respect due to someone willing to put in the work that the student hasn't done yet.

It's one thing to say you don't think the prof. is skilled as a teacher; it's another to joke, insult and disrespect someone who's already done the work.

Anonymous (not verified) @ January 9, 2006 - 12:23am

Who cares how much work it takes? That is totally irrelavant. What is relevant is can they teach? Have you ever wondered why someone who can't teach and is obviously uninsterested in improving him/her-self applied for a teaching position in the first place? Think about that for a while. A PHD does not automatically mean they know their field, I have seen too many counter-examples. Granted, most are experts but the only thing that matters when judging a teacher is can they teach, and do they care about the students progress. Anything else is immaterial. I do not respect anyone who does a bad job, do you?

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